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BerichtGeplaatst: Do Sep 01, 2005 7:13 pm    Onderwerp: Getting the screen to fit Reageren met citaat

Hi there,

Captains and centre panel kits just arrived, looking great. Going through all the bits and working out what's what! Half the fun is in working out how I'm going to start!

I've bought the hardware instruments version of the centre panel as I want to use Flight Illusion guages.

But I'm really puzzled at the moment as to how the 15" screen fits behind the laser-cut panels: there's a picture of the Flight Illusion panel at Blackpool in the post below this and I can't get mine to look like that at all! They have the guages installed and the gear lever opening ready for the lever.

However, if I use the screen vertically, and leave enough clearance for the depth of the guages (25mm), then the screen is pushed over to the right so much that I won't be able to use a real landing-gear lever, which I want to do, as the screen obscures the opening. If I then leave enough room for the lever, the screen has to move to the right and will foul the guages - unless the screen sits back from the panel 25mm, but this looks like a long way back to me!

I haven't got the wrong version of the centre panel have I?

I've stripped my screen from its housing by the way, so it's as small as it can be.

Any ideas?

Many thanks,

Paul
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BerichtGeplaatst: Vr Sep 02, 2005 5:09 pm    Onderwerp: Reageren met citaat

Firstly I'd like to apologise for spelling "gauge" incorrectly through my entire previous post!

I thought I'd add some pictures to my post but there seems to be an upload error when I try, so I've put them on my website here:

http://www.paulharmer.com/engravity.html

They show my dilemmas pretty clearly I think. Any comments/thoughts very welcome indeed!

Thanks,

Paul
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BerichtGeplaatst: Za Sep 03, 2005 11:11 am    Onderwerp: Reageren met citaat

hi paul....i used a 12 inch screen i found on ebay. Its a CTX panoview 540.
Is an excellent screen for upper and lower EICAS.
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BerichtGeplaatst: Za Sep 03, 2005 11:16 am    Onderwerp: Reageren met citaat

Hi there - thanks for that. I suspected as much and have in fact just bought a 10.4" screen on Ebay. It should just be big enough by my measurements, but I'll post something here either way to let you know.

Do you have any pictures of your setup?

Paul
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BerichtGeplaatst: Za Sep 03, 2005 12:50 pm    Onderwerp: Reageren met citaat

hi paul....

here's a picture how it could be done.

to the left is the landing gear lever.....
and to the right the simkits stand by instruments which take even more space.

Its quite cramped, but the 15 inch IIyama screen fits just inbetween.

Maybe theres slight differences in size between different brands of sreens.



i scaled the picture down to fit the forum. If you want i can send you a high res picture....

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BerichtGeplaatst: Zo Sep 04, 2005 12:49 am    Onderwerp: Reageren met citaat

Thanks for the picture - I've seen this image on Gert's website but still can't get my head round how it all fits! Maybe I have a very large 15" screen? I hope my new 10.4" one fits when it arrives, and I'll post some pictures.

Started assembling the MDF parts this evening, CP Flight MCP and other parts coming soon, ordering standy instruments in a few days. Quite an adventure!

I'll build some dedicated pages on my website to chart progress.

Really impressed with the quality of the Engravity kit though, apart from the very limited documentation perhaps. Great fun!

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BerichtGeplaatst: Zo Sep 04, 2005 3:47 pm    Onderwerp: Reageren met citaat

i think the manual is quite good.

i have parts of some other manufacturers that do not have a manual at all. Just a big box with parts. From 737cockpit i got a manual with drawings at least.

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BerichtGeplaatst: Zo Sep 04, 2005 9:26 pm    Onderwerp: Reageren met citaat

Yes I agree the pictures are really superb and help enormously, and they're also shown online which is great if you need to see them larger, and as I said I can't fault the quality of the kit at all, it's really impressively done.

The bits I don't find clear are things like reference to removing "the smaller screen frame from the captain's panel and glue the small kingpost in the centre of the screen", and reference to a "cylindrical knob". What frame? What kingpost and what knob? I know I'll probably work it out, but it's a bit of an obstacle course! Maybe it's just me...

I'm amazed that other manufacturers don't bother at all - at least I've made the right choice of purchase!

It's that transition of moving from a very specialist hobby area, where everyone involved knows exactly what they're doing, to then selling to a wider market where customers are perhaps less well-informed. I think Engravity have a great concept here in the modular desk-top solution: something that can literally be build on a desk in the office (like I'm doing) rather than something that takes up a whole room.

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BerichtGeplaatst: Do Sep 08, 2005 11:55 pm    Onderwerp: Reageren met citaat

10.4" screen just arrived (ebay, cheap) and fits a treat! That's the answer, providing you're using real standby instruments and want to fit a gear lever. If not, the 15" is the way forward.

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BerichtGeplaatst: Vr Sep 09, 2005 11:06 am    Onderwerp: Reageren met citaat

Hi Paul,

so that's the way to do it ! a 10,4" monitor.

Thanks for the tip

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BerichtGeplaatst: Ma Sep 12, 2005 10:14 pm    Onderwerp: Count me in! Reageren met citaat

This post was exactly what i needed. I made a decision a month ago to save up for the Engravity panels instead of the competition, ebcause of the modular setup and of course the price.

This post has solidified my decision and I can't agree more with the comments made.

Paul,

Did you figure out why the MDF blocked the gear lever holes? I would like to know? I already have a 15" LCd I plan to use, as recommended, for the Center Panel, I hope I don't run into the same problem.

Great pictures by the way.
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BerichtGeplaatst: Ma Sep 12, 2005 11:51 pm    Onderwerp: Reageren met citaat

Hi there,

No - I still haven't worked out why the MDF frame completely blocks the gear lever opening on the acrylic panel! Bonkers.

I'm going to have to cut the wood away when I get the lever (some time away I fear), but it's still very odd. I suspect that I'm missing the point somewhere, as I did in my Captain's panel post about the clock rotary if you want to have a look in that forum, but we'll see!

Another tip: don't bother priming the MDF before spraying it up - you'll just spend ages getting rid of the brush marks! Simply spray the wood with your final colour choice a couple of times, then use wet-and-dry sandpaper (wet) to cut it back, spray a few more times and you have an amazing finish. I'll try and post some pictures of my glareshield soon, but it's as smooth as a babies bottom...

The whole thing takes ages - but that's part of the fun!

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BerichtGeplaatst: Ma Sep 12, 2005 11:56 pm    Onderwerp: Reageren met citaat

What do you mean the whole thing takes ages? is it only the MDf that you have to paint? What colour did you use?
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BerichtGeplaatst: Di Sep 13, 2005 12:06 am    Onderwerp: Reageren met citaat

I mean you can spend as long as you want getting it right!

I've got hardly any spare time to give this (politically you understand, what with wife, kids and a house to refurbish) so I'm spending perhaps a half-hour painting every evening, and my 7 year-old helps out! That's why it takes ages - you could finish the whole thing in a week if you had the hours.

When you get the kit you need to spend a while just looking at it, fitting the bits together and understanding how any extras you might buy will fit (gear lever, standby instruments, MCP, EFIS). My screen problems came about because I want to use both a lever and real standbys from Flight Illusion, but if you had a different project (say without the lever) the 15" screen would work fine. So just figuring out where you're going takes some time!

I'll post some pictures on my site soon to give you a feel of what I'm up to. It won't look like much!

The only real bit of woodwork/painting required is the glareshield construction and I want to get this looking really superb, hence all my wet-and-dry paper. I'm using Plasticote satin black spray paint for this. All the other panels are ready-coloured and look totally realistic.

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BerichtGeplaatst: Di Sep 13, 2005 9:31 pm    Onderwerp: Reageren met citaat

I am totally interested in your project as plan to do the same, use the standbys from Flight Illusion and a gear lever.

I understand, I have a wife and 2 kids too, and my new home is being built, I move in November. So I can only drool for now, I don't plan on buying anything until I move in.

Let me know when you post your pics.
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